Episode 18

Mike Postle Sues Poker Heros

Date: October 18th ,2020Guest: Paul SmithHost: Gillian Epp

On this week’s show, I had Paul Smith as guest co-host to discuss the Hot topics. Paul Smith is lawyer turned professional poker player. Follow him at https://twitter.com/pauls551

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Question 1: In the Negreanu vs Polk grudge match do they each respectively have 100% of themselves?

This truly is a grudge match, six years in the making. The players destain for each other is ugly and yet addictive to watch. Both players egos are on full display so it came as no surprise to us that Daniel Negreanu announced he had 100% of himself and Doug Polk said he’s unwilling to sell action because “... not going to be able to pass up that sweet value.”

Question 2: Was Doug Polk’s Twitter Rampage Expert Marketing?

Doug Polk lashed out on Twitter this week, sending out a series of tweets, trolling Johnnie Vibes, Alec Torelli, Charlie Carrel, Luke Schwartz, Matt Berkey, Chrisitan Soto and Daniel Negeanu. The CEO of upswing is the most watched Poker Youtuber and has entertained audiences for years with his no hold attacks against many of the most popular poker players. But Doug has all but retired from Youtube content creations making us question the purpose of his most recent attacks.

Polk is an expert marketer and troller.

The Grudge Match is happening because Doug has been pursuing it since Daniel Negreanu made a comment implying he could beat 25/50NL online back in 2014.

Yet it’s hard to believe Doug’s endgame is a headsup match against the above victims, many of whom have never competed at Dougs stakes.

Question 3: Who is winning the pregame in the Grudge Match?

Although we credit Doug for landing the Negreanu Grudge match. Daniel has won the pregame warfare.

Many of us, myself included never believe this match would come to fruition. “Negreanu has nothing to gain from this!” I exclaimed on multiple occasions. But Daniel was able to turn that around, to him having everything to gain and nothing but cash to loose.

Daniel has agreed to play Doug’s preferred format on Doug’s preferred medium, leaving him to proclaim he’s the underdog. This has set him up in a nothing to lose but money scenario.

Polk on the other hand, started with a huge player base rooting for him, but after his latest twitter behaviour from whining about not being allowed to use charts, to calling out a 2-5NL grinder, many of that base has flipped to now be rooting against him.

If Doug does loose the match, it’ll be hard for him to live this down after making himself out to be such a huge favourite.

Tweet of the Week

Our tweet of the week was awarded to Barry Carter whose tweet referenced the Polk, Negreanu Chart saga from last week. Barry said “Next year when the WSOP is back, I plan on going and railing all my favourite poker players with this new t-shirt on, it's gonna be lit” posting a picture of a t-shirt with a push-shove chart on it.

Question 4: Which platform possesses more of a chance of being cheated, online or live?

Two legends of the game, Barry Greenstein and Phil Ivey sat down on Poker King Youtube channel to discuss all things poker.

Paul and I were surprised to hear both players state online poker is safer than live poker, it’s easier to get cheated live.

Playing online on an unregulated site, as most American players are forced to do is not safer. There are many ways to be cheated and the unregulated sites are not as incentivized to prevent cheating as regulated sites are.

The same goes for homes games versus casino ran games. Phil Ivey specifically mentioned being robbed at gun point at a game, which we are assuming was not inside a casino, where we feel we are paying the casino to protect us and the integrity of the game.

Watch the Full Phil Ivey/ Barry Greenstein Interview
Watch the last episode about Postle

Question 5: Are Casinos responsible for preventing cheating in their poker games?

Both Paul and I were previously under the impression that we pay rake for the privilege of playing in a safe, and fair game. So the verdict in the Postle Stones case, was extremely upsetting to us as poker players.

The California law states it does not allow courts to settle gambling disputes.

There is legal gambling in the state of California so how is there no way to enforce disputes that arise from gambling?

The Brill vs Postle & Stones case was not dismissed because the defendants were innocent. It was settled due to the inability to sue for gambling loses. Which also mean Stones and every other California casino cannot be held responsible for any cheating in their poker games and therefore every California poker player should care about this. It’s a blow for poker and for all players who are wanting to play in a safe legal environment.

More on Postle https://youtu.be/RtJbhvRHVeU

Question 6: Is Online Poker over in Germany?

Germany moves towards fully legal online poker in 2021. Currently online gambling including poker is a grey area.

To protect its citizens, Germany has implemented some rules for online poker sites that went into effect October 15th. The new rules included:

  • 4 Tables Max

  • No Seat or table selection

  • €1,000 MAX deposit per rolling 30 days

A lot of the poker heroes we’ve come to think of as German don’t actually live or play in Germany due to the already high taxes. The 4 tables max, would normally not affect high stakes cash players very much, but given that there isn’t a lot of high stakes action in Germany anyways it seems most serious players will be effected by the new law, and likely even not very serious tournament players.

Another problem discovered from the four table max rules, is that you cannot have more than 4 tables open, even if you are only viewing and not playing. Reporter Christina Zetzsche quickly discover this and claim that he will be forced to relocate outside of Germany to continuing doing his reporter duties.

No Seat or table Selection I am all for. We’ve discussed in the past that a big problem with online poker is bumhunting and this is a method of greatly reducing players only playing against certain weaker fish.

The €1,000 MAX deposit per month is the nail in the coffin for pro players. The players will not be allowed to maintain a large balance on the site, so reloading would need to occur by playing decent stakes. I believe online poker as a profession in Germany will no longer be possible due to this rule.


I always enjoy hearing other opinions and discussing poker with brilliant people so it was a pleasure having Paul Smith on the show.

Next week I expect to have my regular cohost back, MaureenB, and look forward to debating whether VPN’s should or should not be allowed to access geoblocked poker sites. Poker Headlines airs at 12PM PST on the HustlerHunny twitch channel.